It’s About Making Babies!

Healthiernow posted the 50th comment to NML’s post on Baggage Reclaim, “Why you’ll always be a Yo-Yo Girl if you don’t maintain the No Contact Rule“.

Healthiernow responds to another comment that tells a story of her breakup with an Emotionally Unavailble Man (EUM). Like so many posts on Baggage Reclaim, Healthiernow also tells her story of feeling attached to a guy that, when they share a bed, really rings her chimes. But the guy is casual and disrespectful otherwise. That is, Healthiernow is a ‘fallback girl’, handy for him at odd moments, out of his mind the rest of the time.

Healthiernow wants to get over her obsession with the guy, has tried various processes including Al Anon and Codependents Anonymous. But she shared so many good years with him (in her words) and the sex is still great.

She describes dating other guys, and the EUM’s jealousy, as well as how extremely handsome he is and how 22 year olds and other women are attracted to this 45 year old bar toad.

I couldn’t do it. I couldn’t respond to Healthiernow on Baggage Reclaim. Because what I think is going on is not anything she is ready to think about.

Healthiernow’s problem is not her EUM. Her self image is skewed, but not the basic problem.

She thinks the goal of a relationship is having good dates.

When Healthiernow talks about trying to get past her obsession with the guy, she talks about dating men that appreciate her. That is ego stuff, not responsible, healthy behavior. Think about it. She wants guys to date that *appreciate* her. That think she is worth while, that think they are better people for being with her. That she feels her presence is a gift she gives, that they are delighted, or honored, to receive.

Bleah.

The first think I want Healthiernow to hear, is that she is confused. Getting past her EUM and the destructive effect on her life begins with choosing to date for a good reason - to build a family. She needs to choose a date that measures up, is a good mate-prospect, a good co-parent for her children in case there ever are any. At mid-forties she imight not be looking for kids now, but what makes a good co-parent makes a good partner.

The second thing is that getting past the EUM is not finding a better date - it is finding a life that doesn’t include placing her sense of self-worth in dates and dating. Healthiernow is so invested in dating as a lifestyle, that is all she sees. She doesn’t see herself as an adult, as a family member, as a community member, as an employer or employee, as a team member in anything but bed sports. And this is the second confusion I see. Healthiernow has value as a human being, and it is *not*, as she is focusing on now, her value as a date.

If Healthiernow is to be responsible and grow as a mature adult, she has to realize that while she is twisted into knots over her EUM - who moved 10 hours away - she isn’t going to be stable and available to any new date. She has to recover from this experience, let her heart catch up with her head, let her emotions settle into a stable state, before looking for a mate.

And she needs to quit the addictive dating lifestyle. Pick a mate, or find something else to do that can use your time and energy. A hobby, volunteer work, or long walks to think things through and find your focus, your dreams, your goals, once you get past the distractions of casual sex.

This lady is feeling bewildered at how powerful forces keep her bound to an unproductive relationship. I believe that addictive behavior is common to all of us. This is the basis for loyalty, for work ethic, for dedication, and for love. But we need to maintain control of our goals. Right now, Healthiernow is struggling with addictive behavior, but she is so focused on the addiction, the bonds to her EUM, that she wants to keep the thrill and ‘kick’ she gets, occasionally, by transferring her attention from one unsatisfactory man to another. While she abuses the conventions of social courting behavior for purely pleasurable casual dating, she misses the point.

Healthiernow, dear, stop looking for a good date. Take a year or three off, with no dates at all, then decide if you want a family or if your dreams and goals lead in another direction. You have to face the fears of being alone. You have to believe that you can succeed in life, and not have a date.

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See, I cannot say that on Baggage Reclaim. I believe what Healthiernow needs to hear is profound, is life-changing. That change is a little death, a clearing away of the life before to make way for a new life. So I don’t connect with her emotions today - what I see is what must come to be, for her to learn to live a happy and healthy life. I don’t belittle her feelings, nor discount them. I think what needs to happen for her is going to hurt much worse than she has faced. I think she will discover unsuspected strengths and endurance and hope. I find casual dating, and dating as a lifestyle, to be wasteful and extremely hazardous. The only thing worse that encountering someone skilled at attracting bed partners, is the hollow life of learning to be ’successful’ at landing bed partners.

Instead of dreaming that her EUM might change, come to ‘appreciate’ her, I hope and pray for her, that the EUM does *not* change until Healthiernow comes to full healing - so she only has one target for her anger, for her hurt, for her betrayal to focus on. People do change. If Healthiernow chooses to make this monumental change, to leave the dating lifestyle behind, to never again take a date with a guy she isn’t interested in marrying, the certainty that this EUM won’t change his role in her life will only make the change that much simpler.

Nothing ahead of her will be easy.

Sam at Sam’s Stories tells about sharing an evening watching TV with her son Chicken, an episode of ‘weeds’.

I started to post my reply to her post, but .. well, Sam tells little vignettes of her life and family. Her intent is entertainment, and she does this very well. So my little bucket of ‘but ..’ seemed out of place for the story she tells. Following is my response to “How I Utterly Failed As A Parent”

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Sam, Sex stuff is OK for entertainment.

But what about the important stuff we just don’t communicate well from generation to generation?

I know I fixate on mates and mating rather than sexual adventure. I see sexual adventure - delighting in skirting danger - as a distraction from the dedication to a mate that builds a family. Adults and children needs love and devotion, respect and trust, to build a secure, nurturing and stable environment for a family.

The sex stuff glues new mates together, emotionally, if there is a solid bond between appropriate people. How is Chicken learning to tell the ‘fun’ dates from selecting a life-mate?

Learning about nekkid bodies and sex acts, and diverse thrills is good - ignorance can propagate unneeded fears with devastating force. But how is Chicken learning to find a mate that will be good helping to raise their children?

Many people take much of their lives to figure out that someone skilled in getting a partner into bed - is skilled in getting partners into bed. This is a life-skill they will not lose, nor put aside for very long. The rest of a relationship, a family, a life of love, is mostly beyond people skilled in attracting bedmates. A life-skill of attracting bed partners will last a lifetime - not the first thing you want in a life-mate.

That, and most people don’t get ‘lucky’ as often as they do on ‘weeds’. There is a reason most people refer to acts of intimacy as ‘getting lucky’ when dating. And people get distracted, thinking they don’t get enough sex compared to others. Instead of living, they may be chasing sex fantasies.

Is Chicken learning, along with the squishy facts, that sex distracts one from making rational decisions (whether to or not, whether the time/person/place is appropriate)? Or even that being nekkid is not the same as a sex act?

You have lots of parenting left to do. It is *much* too soon to throw in the towel and claim failure. lol! Back to work, Mom!

Umm, I don’t watch much TV these days. I found my years in public (family oriented, non-sexual) nude recreation was much more rewarding - I learned to watch for the person’s smile, rather than fixate on body parts or sexual connotations of exposing this crease or that curve.

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Then, this morning I got an email notification about a new response to a post, “Why you’ll always be a Yo-Yo Girl if you don’t maintain the No Contact Rule” on Baggage Reclaim. “Healthiernow on July 31st, 2008 1:45 pm” (the 50th comment) tells her story of being involved with a guy that shares great sex, but little else. And she has identified her value as a person as - good dates.

These men/women know how to manipulate. I know Im sick, because I do see how self destructive it is to want someone who can have so much influence on my daily sanity. Unfortunately, There were so many good years, I have a hard time letting go.

I think part of it had to do with my own insecurity as he has 22 yr olds -and all ages of women hitting on him. He is extremely good looking and he knows how to play women.

Sam, despite TV and movies highlighting sex as the goal of matching adults, there are a lot of good families. It hurts to see people distracted from a productive life by a fixation on sex.

I grew up with parents that watched Lawrence Welk on Saturday nights. Think about that. Big bands, they often showed the audience dancing. Slow dancing. There is no innuendo involved, in rubbing against your dance partner - this was foreplay, in public, televised. With regular changing of partners.

The mix and match on ‘weeds’ might be more graphic, but people still like to experience vicarious sex. Or even sex, first-hand, as it were. The closeness, the exchange of smells and touch, of shared breaths - these bind people together. We just have to remember to choose partners that help us grow in respect and honor and trust and discipline.